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Beware Our Government's Advice on Loan Modifications!

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On the US Treasury's Website that is dedicated to helping homeowners it says:

BEWARE OF FORECLOSURE RESCUE SCAMS - HELP IS FREE!

Beware of any person or organization that asks you to pay a fee in exchange for housing counseling services or modification of a delinquent loan. Do not pay – walk away!

Oh, dear God...

It was a little more than two years ago that I started watching the housing market meltdown.

To be honest, in the very beginning I didn't see it as being that big a deal. In fact, and I absolutely hate admitting this… perhaps I was even a little happy about it.

I don't think I'm that different than anyone else on this. I had spent the last several years watching people buy homes in my neighborhood, tear them down and build McMansion after McMansion. For a while, everyone except me, of course, seemed to be moving up in the world, house-wise anyway. And yes… when the housing bubble popped and prices started to decline, maybe it did make me just a little bit happy that some of those people would soon be taken down a peg or two.

There, I said it. So, what's your point? I'm human, after all.

I enjoyed watching as one of the homes that had been for sale in my neighborhood for many months, and that had been incredibly over-priced, in my opinion, was reduced… first by ten percent… then by another ten… and then by yet another ten… and still the For Sale sign remained in the home's front yard, now with a clipped on piece of plastic proclaiming that it had been "REDUCED!"

Today, it amazes me to think that six months later I was getting even happier about things. Housing prices had dropped by more than ten percent, and many were on the market for twenty or even thirty percent less than they would have been less than a year before. I'm not sure I even saw it as bad news back then. In fact, I was starting to go house hunting occasionally on the weekends.

Of course, that didn't last long. Within the next few months the fissures in our economy began to both lengthen and widen. They would soon become a chasm whose bottom could not be seen. The number of foreclosures was increasing at a faster pace than I'd ever imagined possible in this country, and soon the secondary mortgage market would freeze up like a Minnesota lake in winter. But, it wasn't until politicians and the media started blaming sub-prime borrowers for the problems that I began to worry about what was, at that point, certain to follow.

The reason for my fear was simply this: When you can't identify a problem, you have no chance at finding its solution. And once the problem was characterized as being one of "sub-prime" borrowers, I knew that our politicians had painted themselves into the proverbial corner. As time went by, and it became clear that the situation was not as simple as sub-prime borrowers defaulting on loans, it would prove to be impossible for government intervention to correct the course. The die had been cast, and American political support would align itself against anything perceived as helping those who had caused our country's economic ills.

I always felt that I knew two things with absolute certainty:

1. The economic dominoes weren't just falling, but they were spiraling downward and picking up speed.
2. It was NOT the fault of irresponsible sub-prime borrowers, as our government still seemed to believe.

How did I know that it wasn't simply the borrowers that were causing all the problems? Well, for one thing, banks were writing down assets to the tune of tens of billions on dollars every quarter. It just didn't make sense that the number of sub-prime loans could produce that volume of losses in that period of time. And for another, the default rate for prime mortgages was climbing steadily as well. I soon came to understand that it wasn't a sub-prime problem… it was an adjustable loan problem. And as payments adjusted higher, it was the sub-prime borrowers that went down first.

Then it happened. The bond market, which provides the liquidity for mortgages broke down and locked up. Credit tightened dramatically almost over night and refinancing at a fixed rate became next to impossible for nearly everyone.

New accounting regulations, now known as "mark to market" were also having their impact. The new rules required banks to write down their hard to value assets to their value if sold on a given day, and with no market for mortgage backed securities, these new rules were slashing billions from bank balance sheets faster than you could say… well, just plain fast. Every three months we'd hear about another stream of multi-billion dollar write downs at banks like Citigroup, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Bros. and more.

But, I think most Americans didn't understand what a write down really was, and there was a feeling that if Citi and Merrill had that many billions to begin with, so what if they had to write down a few. People were struggling, why shouldn't the Wall Street crowd struggle too?

The only thing that could happen now was that foreclosures would increase… and then increase again… and then increase again. Within a year prime loans would be defaulting faster than sub-prime. The water level was rising and it would soon be lapping at just about everyone's feet. Unless, of course, the government stepped in to stop the problem from spreading… and they didn't, perhaps because they didn't want to, as far as President Bush was concerned, but also because they couldn't. The political support just wasn't there. After all, who wanted to bailout irresponsible sub-prime borrowers?

Hank Paulson, during a recent interview, admitted quite candidly that they didn't see the problem that existed beyond the sub-prime borrowers until much later in the game… after Bear Stearns, as a matter of fact, and by then it had turned into a five-alarm fire. President Bush, appearing on a Fox News Special titled, "Two Trillion With a 'T' - How You Bought Wall Street" also spoke candidly about why his administration hadn't acted sooner, basically explaining that his administration was dedicated to preserving free markets. They simply didn't see what these mortgages were connected to and upon whom the dominoes would soon be falling.

So, when the Democrats were screaming for a homeowner relief bill, Bush was threatening to veto the proposed legislation, and by the time the summer of 2008 had arrived, and Bush was agreeing to the bill's purpose, it was too late.

President Bush's first attempt to help homeowners was the ill-conceived "Help Now Alliance" or "Help for Homeowners," program, which was started in 2007 and revamped in 2008. The program was voluntary as far as the banks were concerned, and it required lenders to write down the principal amounts owed by borrowers. Perhaps predictably, it was soon branded "Hopeless for Homeowners". On October 27, 2008, Fox News reported that the program, which had access to $300 billion, was helping all of 79 homeowners.

It was hard for the Bush administration to see what was happening and it's apparently difficult for the Obama administration to do much about it even today. The financial derivatives that had been used to package and resell the mortgage backed securities, known by initials like CDO and CDO-squared, were impossible to understand or take apart. Many Americans had no shot at understanding what was really happening, heck, it was hard enough for the U.S. Treasury Department to make heads or tails of what was going on.

We all know what happened next. Smack dab in the middle of the presidential election, on a day that John McCain will likely never forget, he said "The fundamentals of the economy are strong," to a Florida crowd who had gathered to hear him campaign that day. By that afternoon, he had changed his tune and was telling Americans that the economy was in crisis. And as of that moment, so was his presidential campaign.

Today, President Obama is touting his solution to the foreclosure crisis, which can be seen at the newly unveiled Website put online by the U.S. Treasury: www.makinghomesaffordable.gov. The Obama plan, while a vast improvement over past efforts is going to come up way short, however, by failing to help enough homeowners, and taking too much time to help the ones it will help.

President Obama's speech said it all for me when I heard the familiar lines about how his program wouldn't help the irresponsible homeowners, just the responsible ones. "Here we go," I thought. "Let's see how that might be defined."

Look, I'm not complaining about the Obama plan, really I'm not. I could, but I'm not going to. I'm complaining about what he said later in his speech. "If you have to pay, walk away." He was talking about loan modification companies.

Loan modifications, I've been told, have been around for years, but if that's true, I don't know anyone that's ever heard of them… until recently, that is. When I first came across the term, my first thought was "YES!"

A loan modification isn't a refinance. It's not a bailout. It doesn't cost the taxpayers a dime. It's simply a lender agreeing to modify the terms of a mortgage, to avoid foreclosure… because as we should all know by now… foreclosures benefit no one. And more than that… they hurt us all.

Lately I've heard Ben Bernanke, Sheila Bair, even Hank Paulson make comments that sounded like they wanted to take it all back. That if they could, they'd go back and undo all that "sub-prime borrower" chatter that has made it so difficult for the government to take more meaningful steps to stop the crisis that now has enveloped the entire planet. But it's too late for that, I'm afraid. All that seems to be left are loan modifications.

In point of fact, that's what Obama's plan is… a plan to stimulate loan modifications. Nothing more, really. Oh sure, there's some refinancing available, but few troubled homeowners will qualify for that aspect of the plan. It's the loan modifications that the administration is counting on, but much as President Bush's plan failed to understand the intricacies of the problem, so it is with Obama's program. And it's a real shame, because until something is done to stop the free fall in housing prices, no economic recovery is possible, and more pain is ahead.

One of the major problems with loan modifications has always involved the lack of capacity to handle the volume. Banks aren't set up to handle them. Loan modifications aren't a streamlined process, as is the case with normal mortgage servicing, collections, and foreclosures. Banks have systems for those things, but not for the one-by-one process that is the loan modification. And government agencies have proven themselves to be… well… government agencies, and we all know how well they answer the phone.

In everyone's defense, it's hard to imagine any organization being able to handle the sheer volume… hundreds of thousands, if not millions of phone calls… I don't even think you can find a company who could handle that many calls if all they were doing was selling magazine subscriptions.

Perhaps predictably, a number of companies formed to help distressed homeowners handle loan modifications. And also, perhaps predictably, some of them were unethical opportunists that ended up taking money from homeowners and delivering nothing.

As reported on National Public Radio (NPR) on March 9, 2009:

California seems to be the epicenter for this new industry. Jeff Davi, the director of that state's Department of Real Estate, says officials started getting complaints about loan modifiers last summer, and now they have more than 200 open investigations.

Is it just me… or does that sound like an incredibly small number of investigations? The California Department of Real Estate started getting complaints last summer and nine months later there are only 200 investigations going on? And that seems terribly high in a state with 36 million people, and literally millions of distressed homeowners?

Look, I'm not defending that number as being just peachy, either. Understand, all I'm saying is that when you take into account the chaos that has given birth to this industry, it doesn't seem outrageous by any means. If it were 2,000, maybe, but 200, not so much.

For politicians, however, even 200 investigations become a veritable onslaught if there are cameras in the picture, and considering from whence we came, I suppose it only makes sense that our elected representatives and regulatory agencies would decide to go after the only people that have actually managed to help address the plight of homeowners. What's next? I know, let's send the fire department out to burn down people's homes.

The point that politicians seem to be making, along with state regulatory agencies is that if you need a loan modification, you don't have to pay for it… you can handle it yourself, or you can call a government program and they'll help guide you in the right direction. Even President Obama has jumped on this bandwagon, telling an entire nation of troubled homeowners that if you have to pay, you should walk away.

I have to say that the whole idea that just because a company charges a fee for its work… it should not be trusted, offends me. If there are unscrupulous operators victimizing consumers then put them out of business, regulate them, jail them if need be, but don't tell people that simply because a company charges for its services, that in itself makes it bad.

I understand that I can handle my own loan modification. I also know that I can complete my own tax return, or sell my own home, or change my own oil for that matter. There are lots of things I can do on my own instead of paying someone. It doesn't mean that I want to, or even that I should.

Not all homeowners are comfortable negotiating their own loan modification with their lender or mortgage servicer. They're intimated, unsure of themselves, they procrastinate, get emotional, they panic. And all too often, at the end of the day, they agree to terms they should not agree to. In something like fifty percent of cases in which loan modifications were handled by a homeowner and bank, the homeowners end up back in default less than a year. This was supported by data published by Credit Suisse and UBS earlier this year.

Effective loan modification companies, on the other hand, report much higher sustainability rates on loan modifications. Green Credit Law Center, in Irvine California, for example, reports that over 80% of the loans they modified one year ago are still paying as agreed.

Curt Melone, Green Credit's Chief Operating Officer, was gracious enough to provide me with his company's daily production reports over a month's period of time. Here's an overview of some of the key statistics:

Out of 2,900 inquires from troubled homeowners, Green Credit accepted 2,200 as clients. The firm says that they screen each homeowner to make sure that each is a good candidate for a loan modification before proceeding further.

With 2,200 candidates in the process, Green Credit modifies roughly 300 mortgages each month, and that number is growing each month, as banks become increasingly willing to make concessions in order to avoid foreclosures.

Curt says that what makes Green Credit's operation so effective is the firm's approach. "We don't just focus on the mortgage payment," he explains. "We look at everything. We help people understand what they have to do to get back on top. Sometimes it means helping them get rid of their debt, sometimes it means helping them manage their debt differently. The mortgage payment is only one part of their story."

I told Curt that I wanted to meet with several of their customers and he readily agreed. I was given the contact information for a half dozen homeowners that had worked with Green Credit and had their loans modified. I spoke with all of them, and several other homeowners that were not clients of Green Credit, but the one I'd like to tell you about most is Cheryl.

I drove out to Cheryl's home just a few days ago in the evening. I had asked her if I could film her interview and she said okay. (I'm editing it into a short documentary style program and will be posting it here in a week or so.) Cheryl's home is what's known as a fixer upper. Nothing fancy, just an average home in need of work in a neighborhood that has clearly seen better days. Many of her neighbors are gone now, having lost their homes to foreclosure.

Cheryl and I sat down to talk about what she had gone through and I was instantly impressed by this woman's obvious candor. It's not easy for most people to relax with giant light boxes, cameras on huge tripods, and a boom microphone in your face, but Cheryl didn't seem to notice any of it. She explained that she works for the County of Riverside in the property tax department, and as she put it, talks to thousands of people on the phone each month.

When we began talking, Cheryl readily admitted that she knew it had been her own fault that she'd gotten in financial trouble on her mortgage. It was hard for me to imagine that Cheryl could do anything wrong. She was obviously one of the good people in the world, in her forties, but going to school at night to better herself, and very proud and happy about life, even in the face of such tragic circumstances. I asked her what had been her fault and she explained that she had gone to the bank because she needed to put on a new roof and wanted to do some landscaping. The banker had told her that, since she had owned her home for ten years, it had tripled in price, so it would be no problem to get her the money she needed to make her improvements.

Cheryl had always had a fixed rate loan, but that banker… that lovely gentleman… ended up putting Cheryl into a springy adjustable rate loan that caused her payment to go from $1,800 to $2,800 in a year. At one point her mortgage payment was taking up all of her monthly income. The wonderful loan Cheryl was offered also came along with a pre-payment penalty for one year, so even if she wanted to refinance, were that an available option, she couldn't do it for at least a year. And by that time it was impossible.

I suggested to Cheryl that perhaps it wasn't really her fault. That maybe the banker should share in the responsibility for what had happened. I don't think she accepted that idea while I was there. I know she'll be reading this article and I hope she comes to forgive herself and buy a Voodoo doll that looks like her banker, because someone should string him up by his prepayment penalty, if you get my metaphor there, which I'm sure you do.

I asked Cheryl what she went through and the story she told me both confirmed what others had said, and made me sick over what our politicians are saying today. Since you'll see the video soon enough, I'll be as brief as possible.

Cheryl began by calling HUD for help. She called and called. She's very comfortable on the phone, you see, and knows how to follow up, as she put it. She called, she followed the instructions… she left messages. FOR FIVE MONTHS. And nothing. Thanks Uncle Sam! Nicely botched. My tax dollars at work. Our government can make a missile that can be launched from s ship 100 miles at sea and clog up a toilet in someone's hotel bathroom, but answer the phone and get something done… well, never in my lifetime, how's that.

She then thought to try her bank… that fabulously managed institution, Chase. For three months she alternated between calling Chase and waiting for things promised to be in the mail, but that never arrived. At one point, a woman at Chase told her to stop making her payments, that her loan modification was imminent. It wasn't, though.

I asked her what it was like dealing with her bank and she replied: "Well, you know… the bank's the bank. They're going to get their money one way or the other."

"No truer words have ever been spoken," I thought to myself at the time.

As August turned to September, Cheryl was afraid she would lose her home by the holidays and she very much wanted to keep it. She had made her payments for more than ten years, but now they were about to hit the $3,000 mark, which is more than she could have paid. A mortgage broker that she knew suggested that she call Green Credit Law Center.

She did and everything changed, Cheryl explained. "I never had to call and bug them. They were so nice and seemed so on top of everything. They got my mortgage payment back down to where it was originally, before any adjustments, and they made sure I got a fixed rate. Now I would never do any refinancing again."

Cheryl's story isn't unique, although Cheryl is very much so. She was wonderful to talk to, and I'm sure everyone that she works with loves to be around her every day. I hope I get to see her again.

I've interviewed a few dozen homeowners that have received loan modifications and none of them had any desire to attempt negotiations with their banks directly. They had heard that they could try themselves, but none wanted to. Almost all had tried HUD and found no one at home. All had paid a reputable loan modification firm and all were more than happy to be living in their homes.

On the way home I cried a little over the whole thing. It wasn't fair what had happened to Cheryl. She wasn't the least bit irresponsible. To the contrary, our country needs a lot more like Cheryl. And then I got mad, which is how I've been ever since.

Then last night on 20/20, I saw the people living in tent cities in Arizona, California… families with young children, older people… all because they lost their homes to foreclosure. A little girl, maybe five years old, explained to the show's host how she used to have a room and lived with her Mommy and Daddy in a house, but now they live here in this tent. And I couldn't take it anymore.

God damn it people. I'm 47 years old. I served my country in the USAF. I pay my taxes. I own my own home. I employ people. I'm raising a child. I've seen my wife fight breast cancer and win. I lived through the horrors of 9/11. And I can't bear to watch this much longer, if at all.

I certainly cannot stand listening to one more politician or regulator say "If you have to pay, walk away." Find the bastards that would take advantage of people in trouble and lock them up for life, for all care. But don't shut down the only thing that's working… the only thing that's helping… the only thing that's not costing the taxpayers more than they've already had to pay… for God's sake… loan modification companies are an answer that helps these people... don't tell them they shouldn't seek that answer.

And President Obama, as related to our economy, our government has failed us in every single respect for going on three years. Don't you dare blame the people of this country… it's not the American people… it's the people we elected… the ones wearing natty suits, flying around in private planes, and attending fancy dinners… it's the people we sent to Washington D.C. that are the problem.

You claimed to know that when you ran for president. But every single day that you or any of us allow this to continue there are children forced to leave the safety of their rooms for the uncertainty of a tent. And what will be the long-term affects of that?

I don't want to see Stevie Wonder entertaining at the White House again… I don't want to hear how shocked you were to find AIG paying $160,000,000 in bonuses… I don't want to know how you plan to fix health care… until something's changed…. Until you've fixed this.

Because if this is allowed to continue as is much longer… then whatever you say… I'll turn away.

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{"commentId":6086247,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

This was a heart breaking story to have written, but it won't be my last. Help me. Help the millions of Americans caught in the downdraft they did not create. The only reason we can sit here commenting while so many suffer, is that they don't have a lobby in Washington. Be their lobby.

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  • 10 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:15 AM EDT
{"commentId":6086261,"authorDomain":"mbrandon"}

I will help. I will be their lobby. You're right, we have to do something.

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  • 7 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:19 AM EDT
{"commentId":6086855,"authorDomain":"Dayvid"}

I sent an email to the White House on this. I wasn't able to find anyplace in the HUD website that was appropriate.

It seems reasonable that for-profit companies, if effective and responsible would be valid alternatives to the many free resources available and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

There but for the grace of God go I. I was taught that a home was a good investment, and that one should buy a little agressively if he/she thought that future earnings would increase. I did that and it payed off for me, was lucky enough to get a reletively low rate and watched the value grow and grow. I got into the house on a variable rate mortgage and got out of it at the first opportunity. All this seems to me luck, luck that I got in at the right time, luck that I converted to a fixed rate before all hell broke loose, luck that I didn't need the money from my home for medical bills or my kids college, luck that my job was stable and did pay more as time went by.

Others, not so much. So I have a lot of empathy for their plight. But "flippers", and other investors should take their share of the hit. Bet on real estate to get rich and lose, bet on the market to get rich and lose - that is the consequence of betting.

As far as I can tell the real issue here is the bundling of sub-prime mortgages that can't be unwound. Once confidence fell in those "assets" mark-to-market rules insured that the bank balance sheets would take a hit, and the credit markets would freeze. But, as no one knows what they are really worth how do you know how to value them? The trillion dollar question.

If we are able to get this economy unfrozen the potential exists for those "toxic" assets to make the American people a lot of money. People continue to need homes and, if jobs are available, would rather pay their mortgage than live in tent cities. If that money comes back to the treasury it could help fund the education, health care, and energy reforms I believe we so desperately need, and help us dig out of this hole we are in.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:08 AM EDT
{"commentId":6088790,"authorDomain":"arlene-2"}

Yes, I am sending an email out to the White House as well..

For anyone reading our blog here: great website to get info

and let our President know what we feel needs to be done!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/

thanks again!

Arlene

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#3.1 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:53 AM EDT
{"commentId":6095326,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

Wow! You guys have really helped lift my spirits on this. A lot. Thank you, thank you.

Here's a copy of a letter I just sent into the Wall Street Journal. They wrote an article today about loan modification companies being bad because they charge. Here's my response. If you agree with what I'm saying, I'd love it if you'd send something in to the media outlets that are maligning the only private sector solution to the problem.

Dear Bob...

Your piece titled "Scams Target New Local Aid" is another in a series of articles that is doing a disservice to troubled homeowners. I am a freelance business writer who has been writing about the housing meltdown and foreclosure crisis for the past year, and I am just finishing up a month long review of the loan modification industry, if we can call it an "industry". My review has included interviews with loan modification companies, law firms, borrowers that have had loans modified, borrowers that have tried to do it themselves or through government programs, and other "experts". Here's a summary of my conclusions:

1. This past week I did an on-camera interview with a woman by the name of Cheryl Beckam of Moreno Valley, CA. She is a civil servant working in the Riverside County Property Tax Department. She had owned her home for over ten years before she found herself in trouble and went to seek help. She had always had a fixed rate loan, but a couple of years back, she needed a new roof, and when she asked her bank, they said sure, and to pay for her roof, refinanced her into an adjustable rate loan that ended up doubling its payment after a year, and included a prepayment penalty that made it impossible to refinance before it doubled. (Nice, huh?)

Ms. Beckam first tried to contact the HUD assistance programs. Let me restate that... she tried to contact HUD for help with her mortgage for FIVE MONTHS, before giving up. Frankly, I wasn't at all surprised. It's a common refrain, one that I've heard time and time again.

2. Next, Ms. Beckam tried contacting her lender, Chase, directly. Three more months of phone calls, sending documents back and forth, waiting for calls and things in the mail that never came. At one point, Chase even told Ms. Beckam to stop making her payments, as she was in "the process" and should expect to receive her documents in the mail in the next few days. Again, weeks passed and nothing came. At this point her mortgage payments were taking up her entire income.

3. Now desperate, Ms. Beckam was told by her mortgage broker that she might try calling a company called Green Credit Law Center, a private company that helped people negotiate loan modifications... and she did so the following day. Ms. Beckam's demeanor changed at this point in the interview, and she recounted her experience with Green Credit. She said everything went so smoothly from that point, saying:

"I never had to call and bug them, they were very nice and very professional. They didn't make me feel badly about what I had done, and less than six weeks later, they got my mortgage payment back to where it was at the beginning, before it started adjusting AND they got me back on a fixed rate loan!"

Of course, the downside was... Green Credit did charge her for their services... $3,500, as a matter of fact. Was she unhappy about that? Not even a little bit. In fact, she thought it was quite reasonable, and she's recommended Green Credit to several of her friends since then.

4. I contacted Green Credit Law Center, and subsequently met with the firm's Chief Operating Officer, Curt Melone. Curt was very forthcoming and provided me with his firm's internal production reports every day over a one month period, and they showed a company that had roughly 2,900 inquiries, accepted 2,200 as clients, and was getting 300 mortgages modified each month. If the firm accepts you as a client, and fails to get your loan modified, they refund some or all of your retainer payment, depending on the specific circumstances.

Additionally, Curt showed me a report titled "Sustainability Report". Statistically, one year after Green Credit modifies a mortgage, there's a 94% chance that it is still paying as agreed.

5. I asked Curt about the fraudulent loan modification companies that the media seems to be having a field day going after... and he said that they're his biggest problem. His feeling is that the industry needs to be regulated to prevent fraudulent operators, but that the government's answer, "If you have to pay, walk away." would only lead to more foreclosures. There simply isn't a comprehensive government solution available... no one organization has the bandwidth to handle all of those in need of assistance.

Government programs are what they are. They're frankly overwhelmed by the volume, as are lenders and servicers. And loan modifications are like hand made cars... each situation is different, each lender has different requirements, and as a result each modification requires a somewhat unique approach.

6. Telling people that they can handle their own loan modification is equally troubling. Yes, it's a true statement, but there are countless things I can do myself that I may not choose to do myself. I could file my own tax returns, for example, but it doesn't mean that I should, or make it a good idea that I do so. Many of the homeowners I've had the opportunity to speak with expressed their reticence related to contacting their lender to negotiate a modification of their mortgage.

Bottom-line, and this even applies to me personally, many people aren't comfortable handling their own loan modifications. And that shouldn't surprise anyone, in my view.

The government has failed us at every turn, as related to the foreclosure crisis. Now, President Obama's plan may help some... some. But, especially in states like California, the loan modification companies that are helping consumers get their loans modified are clearly part of the solution... not part of the problem. Branding them as being bad simply because they change a fee for their services strikes me as a less than well thought out response.

Thank you for your consideration, and if there's any way you can make the time, I would very much appreciate your response...

Martin Andelman

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  • 2 votes
#3.2 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:06 PM EDT
{"commentId":6099232,"authorDomain":"marilynl"}

Thanks for the article and email, Mandelman. Makes sense to me, though I've not read up much on loan modifications. Funny thing is that I just heard that a dear friend and family is working with a lawyer and a loan modification company, so it just came up on my personal radar screen yesterday, and here you are writing about it today. Good work!

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  • 3 votes
#3.3 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:20 AM EDT
{"commentId":6101740,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

Why thank you Marilyn... It's going to be on everyone's radar before this is over. Assuming the government doesn't end up putting the industry out of business, that is. Ask your friend if I can interview her when she's done...

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  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:41 AM EDT
{"commentId":6127126,"authorDomain":"marilynl"}

I will discuss it with them, and let you know. May take a little while...

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#3.5 - Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":6142831,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

No problem... I'm doing the documentary and adding to it over time. Hey, it looks like I'm going to be co-authoring a book on the meltdown for Bloomberg Press! Kind of cool, don't you think. The other author is a technical expert in the mortgage industry who was the editor of Mortgage Industry Today, or something like that, for years. He's written other business books, but they wanted me for the political and economic aspects in "my style," which I think means sarcastic and irreverent. We'll see how things progress... it's not a lot of money or anything, they say 60,000 copies, but who knows. It sounds like a hoot to me!

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#3.6 - Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:05 AM EDT
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{"commentId":6087007,"authorDomain":"dontbluffmeever"}

Mandy:

Having worked in that industry for 10 years, let me add something. I had to make an exit stage left before it caused me to lose my sanity. It was such a combination of bad decisions that we're in deep doodoo right now. One of the prime contributors was greed. Brokers work on a commission and fees. If they can jack things up and get away with it, they do so.

The sub-pirme market ballooned out of control (no pun intended) and people knowingly bought houses having full knowledge of the fact that it was a gamble they were embarked on. The gamble was that the escalation clause wouldn't happen and that market value would increase, not decrease.

Then the Freddie and Fannie debacle with Clinton, Dodd and Frank driving the train hit the fan. A notable face in that fiasco is the one and the same Rahm Emanuel. He was sitting on the Board of Directors of Freddie when the stuff hit the fan. He quickly resigned and ran. He's like then when the going gets tough.

Excellent article my friend. PRIMO observations.

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Reply#4 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:24 AM EDT
{"commentId":6089330,"authorDomain":"ElliePhat"}

Because all you say is true in #4, OOC, I advocate a fiat, federally-issued fix. This is quite out of character for me, believe me. But, were Washington to declare an automatic reset of all higher mortgage interest rates to fixed 4% or 5% or something similar -- with no requirements for re-appraisals and market adjustments -- JUST focus on the interest rates, much of this nonsense would be mitigated if not totally fixed.

For one thing, homeowners would obtain stabilized mortgages at rates that make sense in an almost zero-prime world. Second, banks and mortgage holders would get to share in the pain they systemically helped to create. Holders of MBEs, if I understand that right, would also get to share the pain. The only thing that bothers me is that state and federal treasuries would benefit from lowered mortgage interest deductions. We should find a way for them to share in the pain, too.

I realize some people did take out ridiculous seconds. Some McMansion owners benefitted from too-low introductory rates. It's not perfect, this rate-reset idea. But, what we're doing now isn't either.

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#4.1 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:28 PM EDT
{"commentId":6089929,"authorDomain":"rlstanford"}

Ellie -

I think I agree with your approach. In engineering school I was once told that we often had to settle for 3rd best; 2nd best was often too expensive, and we wouldn't find out the best way to do things until the whole process was obsolete. So - while we couldn't simply settle for a shoddy approach, we couldn't tinker with things until they were perfect. It's the engineer's job to design and construct something that will work, and will not endanger the public. It seems like the economists and financial folks have to take a page from our book and adopt your idea.

And, to quote Voltaire: "The best is the enemy of the good."

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#4.2 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:05 PM EDT
{"commentId":6090301,"authorDomain":"ElliePhat"}
I think I agree with your approach.

Me, too. I'm by no means convinced it's workable. But, I haven't yet been convinced it's unworkable either.

There would doubtless be more lay-offs in financial services sector at some point and I don't like that. It might cause increased interest rates in other loan areas (auto, business, etc.). That would tamp down those sectors, too. Obviously, the underlying problems that caused us to get to where we are would have to be addressed, too. I mean, in some ways, isn't my suggestion akin to the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac provisions that helped get us here in the first place? (not completely, but there are some potential pitfalls.)

In the end, I believe the reason this type of fix won't be adopted is the financial industry is among the largest campaign contributors.

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#4.3 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:31 PM EDT
{"commentId":6095492,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

"The best is the enemy of the good." Now that's a terrific quote, rls8r!

And Ellie... I really do agree with much of what you're saying... it's just that absent that type of solution, we can't go around putting loan modification firms out of business under the guise that some of them are bad.

As of today, there are no good answers. The private sector has created one in loan modification firms. Police the bad ones, but don't tell me not to use one because they charge for their services. That's absurd.

Can I try to handle it myself... yes. But I can also file my own taxes and that doesn't mean that I should or that I want to. Can I try to get help for free from the government... sure, but that doesn't mean I should or that I want to.

I'm one of those people that, were I faced with the problem and in need of a loan modification, I'd PREFER to pay a reputable company to handle it, than any of the alternatives. Don't let the government take away the only companies helping the situation... the government has failed us enough on this issue.

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    #4.4 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:18 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6096035,"authorDomain":"ElliePhat"}

    I'm still quite skeptical of these types of services. I did a little legwork and found the following references:

    HUD FAQs on Loan Modifications

    Dave Ramsey on Loan Modification companies (hint: look for experienced ones that have been around a long time if you really feel you need one.)

    RealtyTimes - Assisting Clients with Loan Modification (contains good advice about what to look for and red flags)

    I also read that many attorneys specialize in loan modifications and handle them on a flat fee basis. It might be worth a call to your attorney to get the advice (though I wouldn't answer any ads for attorney loan modification).

    Then, there are the books on the subject. Loan Modification for Dummies is only available for pre-order (release August '09)

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    #4.5 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:55 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6096234,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    Hey Ellie... Thanks for doing that research work and posting it. I checked out each link you provided and found the following:

    1. The HUD link only applies to loan modifications under Obama's plan. Those standards mentioned are not standards unless you qualify under the rules of the Obama plan. I just wanted to mention that, so people don't think that those standards apply to every loan or every lender. They don't.

    2. The next two links are excellent. Dave Ramsey and Realty Times are both saying that you should do your homework and not be taken in by slick marketers of loan modifications. I couldn't agree more. It's good advice no matter what you're buying. The easiest way to check out a loan modification company is to ask to speak with some of their clients, ask how many loans they've modified, how long they've been in business... what is their success rate, what happens if they can't get the modification done... you know... know who you're dealing with... ask around... look before you leap.

    But just because they charge a fee, should not be the basis for eliminating them. In fact, I would tell people to be suspicious of companies saying they don't charge a fee, unless they're some government agency, of course. Nothing in this life is free. Beware free.

    Oh, and I did order the book on Amazon about a week ago... It's okay, I suppose, but I didn't find it particularly valuable, unless I wanted to go into that business, I suppose.

    I really don't think a lot of people want to learn everything about how to negotiate loan modifications. I think they just want an affordable house payment and then get back to work. Some may want to study the subject, but I'm not one of them.

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    #4.6 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:09 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":6087500,"authorDomain":"goldnmypoc2"}

    Oh Mandelman, great story and thanks, this is your best. Our country is in turmoil, and about things that maybe should not be the focus. If we would focus on tent cities instead of bonus money, if we would focus on jobs instead of the comical sitcom of politicians actions we might make progress. I get angrier by the day with our political antics in Washington DC, and sadder by the day with what is happening within our country, which includes tent cities, and I know I might end up in one before long if our great country doesn't come out of this crisis. This crisis haunts me daily in my own personal dealings as I am seeing first hand what other people are dealing with as you have seen for yourself.

    There are so many issues you could write about Mandelman but most at this time are not humorous at all, unless it is political, which I find as stated above, nothing more than a comical sitcom. I appreciate your humor at times but heart felt is good too.

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    Reply#5 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:10 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6095536,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    Thank you goldnmypoc... I'm so relieved at yours and everyone's response to this article. I was frankly scared that either no one would read it, or I'd get a bunch of people blaming the borrowers again. I'm taking out my camera crew again tomorrow to interview more homeowners... it'll be painful in some ways, but I have to let people know what's really happening out there.

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    #5.1 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:21 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":6088751,"authorDomain":"arlene-2"}

    You are right!! This economic horror for many Americans is just heart breaking..

    Keep sending these articles out, Mandelman... We all need to continue to become

    educated in this arena and pass that around...I am now presently helping an elderly

    person in my community to get help in the RIGHT WAY and not listen to "door to door"

    salespeople.....KUDOS TO YOU!, Mandelman

    Arlene in Seattle

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    Reply#6 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:51 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6095550,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    Thank you Arlene... Shouldn't we be friends?

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    #6.1 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:22 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":6089101,"authorDomain":"lb1141"}

    Amen, brother Mandelman. Its time for the politicos in this country to realize that most of the solutions to this massive problem will come from the private sector. People pay contractors for home remodeling, attorneys for legal work, orthodontists for braces...all of whom get paid some or all of their fees before or while they are doing their work. It costs money to get high quality, personal service. If I am trying to save my home, I am going to find the best company in the country to help me...certainly NOT some governmental agency.

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    Reply#7 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:14 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6095672,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    lb1141... Absolutely the same way I think. To stand up there and say "If you have to pay, walk away," is just so wrong. The government has failed us in so many ways throughout this crisis, if I was losing my home... I'd much prefer to pay a reputable company to handle my loan modification company to handle things with my bank... much prefer. I don't want to use a government HUD toll-free number. I was in the USAF... I KNOW how government programs work and don't. I'd much rather pay a firm... I know they'll get it done because they want to make a profit. The profit incentive is a wonderful thing. By all means... get the bad guys out of the business... but don't tell everyone that just because a firm charges for its services, it's a bad thing.

    And I know I can do it myself... but that doesn't mean I should or that I want to. I could do my own taxes, I suppose. But I don't. And I don't want to either. Should the government tell me to walk away from any accountant that charges for preparing my tax returns, because I could do them myself. Ridiculous.

    Oh yeah, and one more thing... If you'd like to help stop the media from reporting this crap, above I pasted in a letter I sent to the Wall Street Journal this morning. You can use it anytime you see one of these articles telling people to avoid getting help from firms that charge form their services.

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    #7.1 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:30 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":6089145,"authorDomain":"rlstanford"}

    Mandelman -

    OK - I sent a link to the article to my Representative and both of my Senators. In addition, I sent it to Shaun Donovan. Don't know what good it will do - but if enough of us send it out ... who knows?

    Why don't you get a presentation together and come out here to D.C. and talk to some folks. Try your hand at drafting some legislation they can stick in a bill or some statements they can say on the floor - it's fun. I'll 'front' for you to talk to my Congressional representatives. I'm sure Bill Harrison (again, I'm committing him without talking to him) will help. We'll be your chauffers and body guards.

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    Reply#8 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:17 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6095793,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    I don't know how serious you are, but it may very well be going in that exact direction. I'm trying to get on the calendar with the senators from California... with Donavan from HUD... anyone that will see me.

    I've developed a set of standards for regulation of the loan modification industry, and a formula that could serve as the basis for investors, so they'd know when a modification makes financial sense and when it doesn't. I simply took a present value calculation compared with the costs of foreclosure in given areas. If one number looks better than the other, the loan should be modified, assuming the borrower can verify income and employment and meets reasonable credit standards, of course.

    Every home cannot be saved. But the primary residences that can... unquestionably should, and no single organization, government or otherwise, has the bandwidth to handle the volume. We NEED a private sector solution, period. And if the government doesn't want people to pay, then the government can pay for it... I don't really care.

    But we need a solution... and not a volunteer solution... not a government agency solution... not a do-it-yourself-solution. A real solution, motivated by the opportunity to do a good job and earn a fair profit. Is that too much to ask?

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    #8.1 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6097296,"authorDomain":"rlstanford"}

    Mandelman -

    I'm serious as a heart attack. If you make headway with your Senators, let me know. I'll organize a small "see Mandelman" campaign amongst folks out here and will try to get you to see Mark Warner, our Senator and a past governor of Virginia. He's on the Senate Subcommittee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs - Subcommittees on Housing, Transportation and Community Development, and Securities, Insurance and Investment. I don't see anyone from California on that Committee, so Webb may be a good contact. Of course, you could be bold and go for the whole ball of wax by trying to see Dodd.

    Our other Senator is James Webb. He's mostly concerned with Armed Services and Foreign Affairs, but he is on the Joint Economic Committee (if that helps).

    My Representative is Bob Goodlatte, a Republican. Being from a largely rural, farming district he's mostly concerned with agriculture. I'm not sure he'll be too influential with regard to housing and economics.

    I'm sorry to say that even with all my years out here - I don't know anyone at HUD. Perhaps Bill Harrison does.

    I'm off to China on the 31st for about 10 days. I'll be glad to help you out after I return. Just let me know.

    In the meantime - are the 'private sector' approaches that you propose allowed (or encouraged) by current laws and regulations? If not - give some thought to which laws and regulations would need to be amended, and think about drafting language to amend them to allow (and encourage) your approach. Be as specific (and brief) as you can. My rule-of-thumb was if I needed more than a 3x5 card for notes, and if I couldn't make my point and capture their attention in less than 30 seconds - it would be a waste of my time. Once you get their attention - you can carry on, but if you can't interest them in the first 30 seconds - don't bother.

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    #8.2 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:49 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6097631,"authorDomain":"rlstanford"}

    Mandelman -

    You seem to be well-connected. Find someone with a copy of the Congressional Yellow Book, or a subscription to Congressional Quarterly and find out who the Senators' Legislative Directors and Chiefs of Staff are. I'd advise you to consider talking with them first to do some G2 on the Senator - his/her position(s), past actions, responsibilities, etc., and up-to-the-minute thinking with respect to your topic. Then, having done your homework on the Senator - you can get right down to brass tacks without the fear of being blindsided. Besides, having the recommendation of the LD or CoS to see you wouldn't hurt.

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    #8.3 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:22 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6098495,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    I'm on it. I'll get something to you in the next couple of days...

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    #8.4 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:55 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":6090803,"authorDomain":"prm-1"}

    This is serious research backed commentary with a humanitarian twist.

    You and I are on the same page. Although there is no guarantee of success in our society, the basic fundamental need for food clothing and housing, can not and should not be discarded by a society that has largely missed the point of this article.

    And here is what I read.

    Cheryl was convinced by a person that she trusted, that an A.R.M. would be the most cost effective way to improve her Home. The Loan officer most likely went on to explain to Cheryl that MOST consumers were taking advantage of this wonderfully affordable loan program. And because of her IMPROVED property, she would have no difficulty converting her A.R.M to a low interest fixed rate mortgage. The Loan officer had no reason to disbelieve his own proposal. Then the bottom fell out of the market, reducing Cheryl's nest egg by no less than 40%. This made converting the loan to a fixed rate imposible.

    Cheryl was correct in one respect. She had consciously made the decision to RE-FINANCE.

    We as Humans, most often buy into what we want to hear. This is human nature.. We are all victims of our own optimism.

    While I am confident that there are a few restructure scams in place. We could talk about that.... I agree with Mandelman, DO NOT ATTEMPT A NEGOTIATION over the phone with a lender. Pay for a reputable recognized service to do the negation on your behalf.

    Most, if not all fee's will come out of the reduced loan settlement. As far as TALKING HEAD in chief.. His head is spinning.. R.Max

    P.S. Bravo Mandelman.

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    Reply#9 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6095937,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    Thank you Ray! I knew I'd get back on track here... It gets hard at times... Above I posted the text of an email I sent to the Wall Street Journal in response to their story telling people not to pay for loan modification negotiation services... If you see any media outlet running such stories, I'd really appreciate you sending something like what I wrote to them... I'm just trying to get someone to look at the problem and situation, instead of just writing nonsense about it.

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    #9.1 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:48 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":6092057,"authorDomain":"rahall"}

    great report

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    Reply#10 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6095945,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    Thanks Richard... I'm sending a friend request... hope you'll accept.

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    #10.1 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:48 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":6095040,"authorDomain":"PalmettoArmadillo"}

    As usual Mandelman, your heart is in the right place. Looking forward to the movie now that I've read the book.

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    Reply#11 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:46 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6095953,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    Thanks Palmetto... Why aren't we friends? And I'm filming interviews again tomorrow.

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    #11.1 - Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:49 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6102636,"authorDomain":"PalmettoArmadillo"}

    We disagree on things but, I respect your passion. I would never want to discourage it.

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    #11.2 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:45 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6107868,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    Heck... The way I flip flop on some things I disagree with myself so often it makes me dizzy. Besides, I have a tendency to get along with people I disagree with on some things... because at the end of the day... we might not be as far away as you might think. Never know... and thanks for your kind words...

    Okay, so now I have to know... what do we disagree on? Just the highlights...

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    #11.3 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:08 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":6099112,"authorDomain":"unicorn-lady1"}

    You don't get it :( .... ACORN is set up as the loan modifier HELP. ACORN and its affiliates. ACORN is running this country. As crazy as that sounds and believe me .. I know it sounds crazy .. but you ask .. who is the free help? And get your answers. I am sorry, I am tired so I probably sound like a nut about now.

    Just look for yourself to see.. who is giving the free help, k?

    Great article ... I will read it again tomorrow when I am more awake. :)

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    Reply#12 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:52 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6099132,"authorDomain":"unicorn-lady1"}
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    #12.1 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:57 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6100179,"authorDomain":"rlstanford"}

    Unicorn -

    I've seen estimates of ACORN's annual budget (for all entities under the ACORN banner) to be between $20 and $37.5 million. I say that if they can run the country for that - they deserve our support. Imagine what we can do with all the tax dollars we'll save.

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    #12.2 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:17 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6101825,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    Too funny. But I checked the link and it appears that ACORN has been granted $7.5 million to provide "foreclosure counseling," which is, I suppose, what you'll need after your home is foreclosed on because you didn't just call a reputable company, pay the fees, and had your loan modified.

    Foreclosure counseling... my hind quarters... modify the loans, damn it. We can have a group hug and sing-along later.

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    #12.3 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:47 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6106825,"authorDomain":"rlstanford"}

    Mandelman -

    Apparently ACORN Housing is also providing mortgage adjustment counseling as well.

    Their "What are my options?" web page lists "Loan Modification" as one of the Loss Mititation Options that the ACORN Housing counsellor will explain.

    Further - a link from the ACORN Housing's Home Equity Loss Prevention (HELP) web site takes you to a "MakingHomeAffordable.gov" web site. That web site gives two options: 1) Refinancing, and 2) Modification. Below those options is a link that warns potential applicants to "Beware of Foreclosure Rescue Scams - Help is Free!!" Clicking on that link takes you to a general warning page that tells potential applicants what to beware of - and provides a link to a site that lists HUD-approved housing counselors.

    That web site has an interactive map that provides lists of HUD-approved housing counsellors in the various states. I see that ACORN Housing has listed 6 offices (San Diego, Los Angeles, Oakland, Sacramento, Fresno, and San Jose) of the 154 offices of various entities that offer HUD-approved housing counsellors in California. Consumer Credit Counseling Services (CCCS) seems to be a big player in California. ACORN Housing does not have an office in Virginia.

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    #12.4 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:12 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6106940,"authorDomain":"rlstanford"}

    Mandelman -

    Now that I've written all that - I have to say that it's not clear to me whether ACORN is claiming that they acutally help folks modify their mortgages - or if their counsellors simply let folks know that mortgage modification is an option (but one that they'll have to work out themselves). Sorry - didn't do a very thorough job of sleuthing. I'm trying to design a stormwater management system for a small community, and just looked into this while I took a sandwich break.

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    #12.5 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:19 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6108035,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    That's a coincidence, I was just designing a stormwater management system this morning myself... lol.

    Okay, so I just had a meeting with one of the policy wonks at the CA Department of Real Estate. It started a little tense, but ended very well. The ACORN and the HUD lines don't actually handle loan modification work. They're there to primarily give you information. They don't answer the phone though... you leave a voice message and then they're supposed to call you back. I've been waiting since last week.

    During my meeting with the DRE, I was successful in getting my position across in the first 30 seconds... thanks for your advice, by the way... and then, when they talked about HUD, I just dialed the number on the speakerphone on the conference table and let it ring... and ring... then I left a message but it cut me off half way through.

    When they said that people could just their bank directly, I shared my experience and the experiences of others I've interviewed... even showed about four minutes of footage from those interviews.

    Basically I said in no uncertain terms that to assume that just anyone would be comfortable and confident enough to negotiate with a large bank on the phone was insensitive.

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    #12.6 - Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:17 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6145245,"authorDomain":"rlstanford"}

    Mandelman -

    That IS a coincidence. Since it's after noon here (in Virginia) when it's still morning there (in California) - perhaps we were working on the same system! Wouldn't THAT be a coincidence!?

    I wish I could have been a fly on the wall when you made that phone call. Good work!

    After you told them what you told them in no uncertain terms - did you tell them in no uncertain terms what you expected them to do to correct the situation?

    By the way - I'll buy your book - so have them print 60,001, would you? Thanks.

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    #12.7 - Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:50 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6145667,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    Good Morning rls8r... Very funny... and I did tell them what I expected and they've invited me to a policy meeting in late April. They've also been reading all of my columns on the subject... I know because they find some of the stuff funny, which surprised me. I didn't know they found anything funny. At least I'm making headway. Now I'm going to see who I can network into in D.C. I'd really like to see Donavan, but I'll take anyone at HUD. I'll let you know so we can coordinate efforts.

    And Bloomberg Press calling was quite the surprise... it's a great opportunity to set some of the misinformation straight, and they want me to be me, so I don't have to conform to some goofy idea of how it should be told. I'll keep you posted too... and I'll send you an autographed copy on the house!

    Also, yesterday I got an Email from someone who said he was a fan of my writing and also the CEO of a magazine called The Niche Report. He asked me to write a regular column for them... I haven't really had a chance to look at it closely, but it seems to be a decent publication for the mortgage and finance industries. Best I can tell at this point anyway.

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    #12.8 - Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:17 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":6120596,"authorDomain":"abcrow"}

    Martin, Just wanted to say that this is tremendous work again from you. You really are a well-spoken and knowledgeable advocate for homeowners, which is very lacking in the MSM. You should be sydicated.

    A

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    Reply#13 - Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:54 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6142836,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    See, I was just getting tired and then I read your comment and now I'm fired up again! Thank you soooo much!

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    #13.1 - Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:07 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6145226,"authorDomain":"abcrow"}

    Any time. Plus you're posting at 3 am, Martin! Get some rest man!

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    #13.2 - Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:48 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6145765,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    I can't. Started working on a piece titled: The Psychology of Foreclosures and am just finishing it up now. Besides, truth is I fell asleep around 8pm and woke up 2am and couldn't fall back asleep, so I figured what the heck...

    The piece speaks to how banks treat victims of foreclosure and shows that they are paying the price for their practices... in terms of damage caused by angry homeowners. It also was fascinating because I now understand why so many people found it necessary to blame the sub-prime borrowers even when it was so clearly more than that. A social psychologist did research in the early 1980s on our need to believe in a just and fair world... it was just really interesting...

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    #13.3 - Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6146038,"authorDomain":"abcrow"}

    I often have the same problem, sleep-wise. Your new piece sounds very good, esp integrating the phychological impact on homeowners and their "haters". I look forward to reading that.

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    #13.4 - Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:37 AM EDT
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